Episode 5: Experience and Structures

In this episode, JT and Andy practice awkward conversations. The goal was originally to talk about structures and spaces and how our experience shapes our perspective of them. But it turned into a deeper conversation about law enforcement, which the hosts had never discussed before. 

[3:28] - Big Barriers

[4:19] - Structures

[5:39] - Law Enforcement

[8:17] - Difference in experience

[9:34] - Structures are made by flawed people

[11:15] - Corruption shouldn't surprise us

[12:20] - People are nuanced

[13:13] - Difference in being a problem vs being bad

[13:52] - Being black isn't a bad thing but it can be a problem

[14:42] - Speeding as a black man

[16:40] - Teaching children how to interact with police

[18:00] - Jealousy

[19:39] - How do we talk about this?

[21:36] - Vetting process

[22:16] - Trigger 1: Bringing up the rap-sheet of the victim

[24:37] - Trigger 2: Lack of lament

[25:24] - Additional triggers

[25:55] - Trigger 3: Taking the system and applying it to individuals

[27:40] - Let's acknowledge the brokenness throughout

[28:41] - Both sides should have a category that there are good officers

[29:20] - Trigger 4: Minimizing personal experience because it wasn't the worst case scenario

[31:00] - Trigger 5: Being expert empathizers but only for one side

[32:00] - Where do we go with these conversations?

[32:58] - Theology tells us we need to respect structures

[33:40] - Conversation, not controversy